This is an AVM Alliance Podcast video with two guest AVM Survivors who talk about Surviving the Odds. Today is the end of season one, our 15th episode. We talk about why some parents of children who have suffered a stroke feel like they don't fit in and provide an analogy that hopefully will change that mindset. Our guests today are AVM Brain bleed survivors Kyler Lewis and Ashley Lindsey who talk about what it is like to deal with brain vessel disease. We end the podcast going over our last chapter of our focus book, Suffer strong where Jay talks about "The Unknown" and we learn about the importance of hope when suffering and finding bravery to illuminate the darkness and uncover the treasures hidden there.